My new bees

[DanielH]

I have recieved a few new bee shrimp as well as bumble bees. These pics are from minutes after aclimating them, so sorry for the poor colors and pictures:

Bee:
http://members.aol.com/itsdanimback/mybee2.jpg

BumbleBee:
http://members.aol.com/itsdanimback/bumbee.jpg

[gr81]

second one is Bee too(bred form, not wild as first). BB have dark head, this one haven't.

[DanielH]

So they are both bee? Does everybody agree? The second one does not have any orange? Is that a trait that goes away after selective breeding? And if it is a bee, do they grade bees? If so I would guess it is an A. Any thoughts?

[naturalaquarium]

Hello,

Very nice! I also wondered about the grading. I would think its a Grade A.
Where did you get them from?



Roberto

[naturalaquarium]

The second one is a Bee. First stripe is white. Bumble bee is black. :)

[silane]

Agreed that only first one is a bee/diamond, it has wild look, far from A. Best is to call it wild bee :D, so it will not be graded, or else it is like a C for now.

Why C? It has no white on body and the black part is not black. But again, it is just minutes after acclaimisation, that's why the color look bluish and unfair to grade it actually. Get a picture when it has settled down for more accurate grading.

[DanielH]

Okay so the first one is a bee... that is certain. Wild Type! I was asking what the grade of the second one is. It has great color. And I am starting to believe it is a bee as well. Let me know!

[silane]

The second is definately not a bee/diamond shrimps, and hence it has no grade, unless you invent one. :D

[naturalaquarium]

Fruitpie,

What kind of shrimp is the second one? I thought it was a bee/diamond shrimp.



Roberto

[silane]

Roberto,

It is a bee/new bee, look like it is white head bee, best looking variation of the bee look-alike shrimps, even for wild caught. All of them have intensified/large white portions and the first white band on head is large.

Many hobbyists has mistaken white head bee as refined form or the ancestor of CRS, but they are not, bee/diamond is.

[DanielH]

So it is a New Bee?

[naturalaquarium]

Fruitpie,

Thank you for the info :) . I see, the V shape black mark. Thats what makes it a new bee. Cool I need to pay closer attention to the marks :) .

Thanks Fruitpie. I still need a banner to add to my site. Have you guys made one yet?


Roberto

[DanielH]

The V shape is comon in bees of all types! I dont think it is used to describe any one sort of bee!

[naturalaquarium]

uh :huh: . I was looking at the different pictures from the species page. The second bar is V shaped in the new bee. if you look at the bee there is no V.

So i guess the only way to tell the diference is the orange on the tail.


Roberto

[GunmetalBlue]

DanielH, Something that is not mentioned in the species page under Bee/New Bee is that in some circles/countries, your second shrimp is known simply as a Bumblebee. This has been mentioned before so I'm not going to get into it but thought you should at least be aware of it.

Anyway, congrats on your new shrimps! :)

-GB

[gr81]

So the second one is Bee/New Bee/BumbleBee depending on country where you live ;) :D
Here they are sold as Bee, same as classic Bee.
But here is it presented as New Bee, so the new bee should be correct.
I don't thing that should be BB. At least not as mentioned here and sold in my country.

[silane]

Fruitpie,

Thank you for the info :) . I see, the V shape black mark. Thats what makes it a new bee. Cool I need to pay closer attention to the marks :) .

Thanks Fruitpie. I still need a banner to add to my site. Have you guys made one yet?


Roberto

The V mark does not necessary mean it is new bee (second pic, some called it as Bumblebee as highlighted by some members), for this particular variation of bee/new bee shrimp, it is very easy to get V mark. There are many variations of bee look-alike shrimps that fall under the general name "bee/new bee", this variation particularly catch attension of hobbyists because of it good contrast of color. Some LFS here calls it White Head Bee to differentiate this beautiful variation from the rest of variations.


Robert, you hear about the banner request? :D

[GunmetalBlue]

So the second one is Bee/New Bee/BumbleBee depending on country where you live ;) :D
Here they are sold as Bee, same as classic Bee.
But here is it presented as New Bee, so the new bee should be correct.
I don't thing that should be BB. At least not as mentioned here and sold in my country.

Ah, well there went the "I'm not going to get into it ..." lol

Gr81 - please be careful not to miss the point here - the naming convention in a certain circle or country only help to identify and understand between two people which shrimp they refer to - but it does not change what the shrimp is scientifically. So it's not a matter of right or wrong until we know for sure exactly which species it is related to, and for all we know, it may turn out that it is a "closely" related species, but not the same species of either the Bee or Bumblebee.

Do you or anybody know if they have been scientifically identified yet? If in your country and in your circles you call it a "New Bee," then at least you know which shrimp they mean. However, if you were talking to me (not that you ever would, you'd probably RUN! :D , I'd probably say, gee, but that sure looks like a Bumblebee ... ;). At any rate, they certainly are not the same as the high grade black and white form of Bees.

It's important to differentiate or else you run into the problem of hybridization. For instance, I personally would not mix what you refer to as the "New Bee" with the classic Bees, high grade Bees OR the classically marked Bumblebees - they deserve to be kept unique.

If someone does inadvertently (or purposefully) get hybrid shrimp - I hope they're willing to share the info. It would be helpful to the shrimp community which shrimp definitely hybridize with which shrimp - though keep in mind that if two "similar" kinds of shrimp hasn't yet hybridized in your tank, it doesn't mean they can't.

-GB