Water change

[jojoecute]

At present got a 3ft x 1ft x 1ft - IOS filter system with bio ring...
Everyday i need top up 1.5L of aged water...

Question is, do i still need to do water change ?

[Walter]

IOS and 3feet.. hmmm.. u can do water change after 6months :p

[silane]

Yes, you will need water change.

Measure the nitrate build up, keep them at 5mg/l or less by water changes. There is no fixed rule on frequence as it depends on bioload.

Top up of water does not reduce nitrate, so have to do water changes.

[damnit]

What fish or shrimps are you keeping in this? :wink:

[jojoecute]

Now i know that with new setup moss floor on gravel it will trap under the mesh alot of shit & un-finish food, and it will causes bad water condition...

Yesterday i got total 9 mixture CRS & Diamond found dead.. After 30% of water change everything goes ok...



Yes, you will need water change.

Measure the nitrate build up, keep them at 5mg/l or less by water changes. There is no fixed rule on frequence as it depends on bioload.

[jojoecute]

Keeping all CRS, Diamond & Ninja with only 1 cory & 2 china sucker fish..



What fish or shrimps are you keeping in this? :wink:

[damnit]

Water change is recommended but only for matured tank.
My office cherry shrimp tank's water has not been changed for nearly 1.5 years!!! :D

[jojoecute]

1.5 year---save you alot water bill... Haaa Haaaa


Water change is recommended but only for matured tank.
My office cherry shrimp tank's water has not been changed for nearly 1.5 years!!! :D

[damnit]

1.5 year---save you alot water bill... Haaa Haaaa

Errrr its in office :eek: :D :D

[Walter]

Now i know that with new setup moss floor on gravel it will trap under the mesh alot of shit & un-finish food, and it will causes bad water condition...

Yesterday i got total 9 mixture CRS & Diamond found dead.. After 30% of water change everything goes ok...
think it is better to let the moss grow out well 1st then add shrimps.. or feed less.... i using java moss floor but w/o mesh... so i tink its ok so far...

[jojoecute]

Thanks bro...
I will think a better way... Cos Taiwan moss not like Java moss..



think it is better to let the moss grow out well 1st then add shrimps.. or feed less.... i using java moss floor but w/o mesh... so i tink its ok so far...

[Walter]

Thanks bro...
I will think a better way... Cos Taiwan moss not like Java moss..
ya.. they need to be held down to grow as a floor... but taiwan moss floor will be really nice... :cool:

[simcb]

Moss floor is nice so is ricca flooring(which i previously had).

But if you have a heavy bioload in your tank and mainly for breeding purposes.

"Testing some ideas"
IMO, its better to make it into a "n" shaped bridge-like structure. This ensures that its has enough space for your shrimps to go under it to do cleaning. Or use biomedia as pillars to lift it slightly above the gravel, so the shrimps can take shelter under it from bright lights and feed/clean the debris on the gravel. You can also peep under the flooring(need to trim the moss if not will block your view :) ) to see if there are any dead shrimps to remove them quickly if the shrimps did not clean it up.

If its a small display tank with low bioload a flat on the gravel moss floor is allright...its wont cause ammonia spike as least for some time. A very common sight is you find that your 2-3 shrimps kept dying each day, indicating its time to do some debris sphioning and water change. Add some liquid Benefical Bacteria instead of those powder form ones(takes a few day to kick in), its better especailly for shrimps.

I bought the Seachem Prime sounds good remove ammonia,nitrates toxin and other harmful stuff i cant help to notice the sulphuric smell :sleepy: so far i only use it for cycling.

[Tassle]

How long does it usually take the Java moss to fill in on the mesh like I see in pictures here? And under how strong of light? The Java moss I have seems to grow very slowly.

I noticed the Prime (Seachem) smells strong as well. I had been using Amquel (which is not as concentrated as Prime) and didn't ever notice a funny smell. When I ran out of the Amquel, the store didn't have anymore of that type the day I needed it (I waited until water change day to go get dechlorinator :embarasse ), so I picked up the Prime. I've been tempted to toss the bottle several times, but keep resisting. When it runs out, I definately won't be purchasing it again.

[simcb]

For me its usually take 1 month. I think strong lights doesnt slow its growth. Its the water parameters and temperature. I tried growing java previously in my planted 2ft and 1ft...i notice they just turn brown and die. I added some taiwan moss and it died too.

The temperature is 26.5 degree after i do a few water change they stop dying. I think they might be sensitive to some of the chemicals in the water. BTW i dose seachem prime after the water change too because my 1ft is a new tank it might have high nitrate which i guess is cause both of my moss to die. I guess water change really helps.


I tried overdosing seachem prime notice the emergenecy dosage? which has in case of emergenecy dose 5 times more. Its 5ml for 200L. I dose 10 times more for my 1 feet with a boraras brigitte and one yamato in the tank. I continue dosing the same amount for the next 3 days they seems fine with it. After that my taiwan moss stop dying and java started growing faster, still dont know why this works for me. The smell reminds me of a super bacteria solution i used to buy previously for ponds, in case of ammonia spike for my arowana tank now i am using Nutrifn Cycle liquid bacteria.

If you can find some ammonia to test the Seachem prime and see if it works? So far all my 5 tanks have 0 or very little ammonia according to my aquamedic NH3/NH4 test kit.