keeping pelia

[kross]

i got a colleague who is having problem keepng his pelia alive.... it always turned brown after introduction to his 3ft tank. anyone here has any info in keeping this plant? specfically the required tank conditions for its healthy growth.

his setup:

tank temp = 28C
tank light = 144w
ph = 6.5
kh = unknown
gh = unknown
fertilizer = root type
water change = 2mth once. :eek:

i think the water change regime is the problem. what do u guys think? :D

[simcb]

i got a colleague who is having problem keepng his pelia alive.... it always turned brown after introduction to his 3ft tank. anyone here has any info in keeping this plant? specfically the required tank conditions for its healthy growth.

his setup:

tank temp = 28C
tank light = 144w
ph = 6.5
kh = unknown
gh = unknown
fertilizer = root type
water change = 2mth once. :eek:

i think the water change regime is the problem. what do u guys think? :D

How abt co2... ppm? fert dozage after water change? bioload? 2mth once....got live stock inside? Kh?

Need more info....

[Bocca]

my pellia works at 26degC and with 36w PL light.
my experience was, when i intro then into my tank...
it turn brown within a week...then slowly the green returns after 3wks..
i guess for pellia, the best u need real cool waters like <27 degC
and for the pellia leafs to become 'big', u need to blast them with...
well....yr colleague needs patience.
:D

[Robert]

Hi,
please note that brown "pelia" is death, no new growth is possible then. The liverwort with the name "pelia" is Monoselenium tenerum, by the way. It needs a bit cooler water, so less than ~27°C. Soft, slightly acid water, moderate light, liqiud fertiliser and extra CO2 would be the best, then it grows very fast.
The size and coloration of the thalli depends on the amount of light and nutrients.

regards

Robert

[Bocca]

agreed with robert on the temperature is a must.

[kross]

thx for the inputs.... will inform my colleague about it... :)

[Bocca]

Hi,
please note that brown "pelia" is death, no new growth is possible then.


Dont really agreed with above, because i have experienced from brownish color back to dark green within 1 month after introducing into my tank.
i would say the turning brown might be the pellia trying to climate itself to the new envoirnment.
:)

[Ljung]

Dont really agreed with above, because i have experienced from brownish color back to dark green within 1 month after introducing into my tank.
i would say the turning brown might be the pellia trying to climate itself to the new envoirnment.
:)

ya, mine face the same problem initially, what u need to do is: dont do anything, just leave them by itself to acclimatize to your tank condition. :rolleyes:
their leaves pattern will adjust and grow to suit the new condition.
low temperature :cool: is the more crucial factor to watch for...

[dom]

My pelia growing well in my 6 feet tank. Which is 28-29C.

And I have some wild collected pelia do growing well in this "high" temp of water condition. PH 6.2 and KH4.

[kross]

My pelia growing well in my 6 feet tank. Which is 28-29C.

And I have some wild collected pelia do growing well in this "high" temp of water condition. PH 6.2 and KH4.

got any wild "mini" pellia? :D

[kc_c]

got any wild "mini" pellia? :D

This is fun. First it was Moss hunting and now it is Pellia hunting.
I wonder whether we can get wild pellia in Singapore.


Any one organising Pellia hunting trip. ;)

[dom]

Perhaps you can refer to this
http://www.myfish.info/files/p2010022.jpg
http://www.myfish.info/files/p2010017.jpg

One of my friend -kimco, he found this "mini" pelia at his friend house which under the flower pot.

Kimco, borrowing yr pictures for this thread. sorry for not inform.

[silane]

Dom, what is the size of the rock?

[dom]

Not so sure. Perhaps, have to wait kimco (He is the member of this forum also.) to answer. It is really look different with the pelia which i am having.

I have some wild collected pelia. but bigger size. Don't keep any grayfish or ghost shrimp with it. They like to eat pelia. (My CAE love to eat also.)

[Rand]

Dom, when "Kimco" found the plant, was the flower pot in a standing water? Was this plant growing submerge in water or just in moist environment.

I'm curious of what the current status of this plant in his tank. Hopefully "Kimco" could reply soon, :D .

Randall

[kimco]

Hi guys,

Sorry missed the thread, only realised them after being pointed out by Jojoecute. The plant was found on the surface of the soil in the potted plant and it is not submerged in water, just in moist environment. The size of the stone is around 3" in dia.

The plant have grown somewhat and i've broken them down and spread over 5 stones to propagate more, (quite a no of fellow forumers are asking for them) and I must say they have grown out to be quite nice.

Yes, SAE seems to be constantly nipping at the plant but have not seen any real damage done.

BTW, could someone point out the way to post pictures here? I seem to be having some prob. with this.

Thanks

Cheers,

KG

[silane]

Welcome kimco,

There are 2 ways to include images in your post:
- Upload as an attachment into your post, look for Manage Attachment when you make a post.
- Upload your images into your own Gallery http://www.shrimpnow.com/gallery/ and use img tag to include them into your posts.

[kimco]

Thanks for the pic tips, so goes. this is where i found the m.pellia and a blur photo of the plant. Just to give a rough idea what to look for.

Cheers,

KG

[kross]

Thanks for the pic tips, so goes. this is where i found the m.pellia and a blur photo of the plant. Just to give a rough idea what to look for.

Cheers,

KG

unbelievable..... it costs S$20 for the size of 20mm diameter quantity and it's found foc in your pot!!!! :lol: i guess u got a pot of gold!! :D

[kimco]

No my pot of gold, My friends, though he dont know it :D

Cheers,

KG

[kimco]

Just now i've decided to go do some brush clearing at my office sanctuary and guess what, while I was doing some pulling of weeds, I stumble upon this emersed form Mini Pellia!!! LOL! how lucky can one gets!!!! :D Anyway, i took some pictures of them for you guys out there to do similar searches, remember, these can be found in dark damn areas like under your plants in pots!

Happy hunting,

Cheers,

KG

[Bocca]

the clear pics does not looks like the earlier pics of pellia on the rock!!
perhaps it's not mini pellia.. :D

[silane]

Your luck is good, kimco. Did you take them back home and see if they grow submerged?

Maybe out a pen beside it when you take the picture on your new discovery so we can estimate the size from there.

[jojoecute]

Well if he had found the 1st time, think he should know how it look...



the clear pics does not looks like the earlier pics of pellia on the rock!!
perhaps it's not mini pellia.. :D

[kimco]

Well, what can i say guys, I've never seen an actual Mini Pellia, only from pictures!! :p I am concluding that what i found is the same based purely from picture comparison only. However, I can confirm that what I found is DEFINATELY not M.Tonerum (Pellia) for I've seen the real M.Tonerum to be able to confirm that! and neither is it "Giant Riccia" for i've seen the real one as well!

Cheers,

KG

[silane]

Kimco,

Is your new found plant the same or close to the one of the left?

http://www.shrimpnow.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/normal_new_liverwort03.jpg

[Ljung]

there is difference in emerse and submerse growth form.
pellia tend to grow differently (slightly) at different conditions.
those comes in very large leaves were just living in tank with very good condition.
dont be surprised will grow out differently when transfered to other tank with different condition.
to me, mini pellia (or should we call other name) does not really give the similar shape of leaves as normal pellia. they look different.
just as i dont consider pellia as big riccia. them are just different.
i could be wrong.
since not much technical info on this 'mini pellia', currently maybe let's just settled with this calling.... :p

[kimco]

:D Okay guys,

Here's how it looks and i've thrown in a pen for size comparison since the size matters much. Let me know what you guys think is this plant. Yes, emersed and submersed form are different. There's no "branching" in emerse form.

Hopefully we can agree on what this plant actually is :D

Cheers,

KG

[silane]

Yours look just slightly bigger than mini, but smaller than normal pellia. See the pic below, the one on the right is normal pellia, the one on the left is mini, both submerged grown. It look closer to mini then normal. :)

[dom]

Wow...fruitpie, your mini pelia shape look like snow!

[silane]

Wow...fruitpie, yr mini pelia shape look like snow!

That's the nicest frond I chose to show. :D

[kimco]

Well, it looks like we have another new plant on our hand................ errrrrr..... a "midi pellia" perhaps???? :rolleyes:

Cheers,

KG

[Robert]

Hi,
These are all nice plants but they are not real pellia. They are liverworts. Pellia is a name for a genus of liverworts from mainly temperate regions in Europe and Asia. Somebody in the past used this name wrongly for Monoselenium tenerum (an Asian liverwort) and since everyone likes to refer to any liverwort as "pellia", although your south-east Asian liverworts perhaps do not even belong to the same family I guess.

Some say the "mini pellia" is Riccardia chamedryfolia (With.) Grolle and both liverworts are really quite similar. But this Riccardia species is native to temperate regions in Europe, Asia and North America. There are no records of this species in south-east Asia, so it is unlikely that you find it in tropical Malaysia.

regards

Robert

[kross]

since it created so much interests....here's my limited "mini P".... lol

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v389/Kkross/2178b98f.jpg

[baruch mor]

if u call Monoselenium tenerum pellia then its very easy plant to grow. if u have problems keep it alive just dump some in a fish mesh floating on water surface and it will grow x-elent!
i grow this plant under 30c sometimes with no problems.

[silane]

Mini:
http://www.shrimpnow.com/mygallery/files/2/mini.jpg

Coral:
http://www.shrimpnow.com/mygallery/files/2/coral.jpg

Common:
http://www.shrimpnow.com/mygallery/files/2/normal.jpg

There is sudden influx of coral pellia in the market, some sellers call then mini pellia, some mix coral pellia with mini pellia when sold with a mesh. Some sellers claimed that coral pellia is emerged form of mini pellia.

Before you buy, make sure which one you are buying, the name can be misleading.

[unibroccoli]

Very Nice.. Just got a mesh of it..Hope to see it grow and there I shall tied to a big driftwood to create a Ancient Chinese mountainous effect..

Peace,
Jade

[kross]

Very Nice.. Just got a mesh of it..Hope to see it grow and there I shall tied to a big driftwood to create a Ancient Chinese mountainous effect..

Peace,
Jade

Great! Remember to show us!! :)

[bgssamson]

Perhaps you can refer to this
http://www.myfish.info/files/p2010022.jpg
http://www.myfish.info/files/p2010017.jpg

One of my friend -kimco, he found this "mini" pelia at his friend house which under the flower pot.

Kimco, borrowing yr pictures for this thread. sorry for not inform.


What kind of a mesh did you used on this rocks of pellia & where can you get it? I always used fishline but it doesn't hold that good.

Thank you in advance!

-Brian :rolleyes:

[jojoecute]

I prefer to tied mini pellia onto driftwood, same way as you did.
Using fishing line tied it for a week and it will stick on it. After that cut away the string..

Mini pellia will stick well on rough surface, not on smooth rock.

See my mini pellia growing vey well on select nice & unique driftwood..

[kimco]

What kind of a mesh did you used on this rocks of pellia & where can you get it? I always used fishline but it doesn't hold that good.

Thank you in advance!

-Brian :rolleyes:

I use those nettings people used as shower scrub. Those long nets that they crumble together and tied with a string. BTW, what you saw isnt mini pellia. It is still an unidentified pellia, slightly bigger than mini but smaller than M.Tonerum. It cannot attach itself to anything and will drop loose if not tied. It was found in a planted pot at a fren's place.

In an earlier post, I was told that mini pellia is a type of "Ricardia" sp which are found mostly in temperate countries, well, just recently I found some of this mini pellia at a waterfall here and managed to take back a small rock with this mini pellia attached to it. It is now growing in my 2' shrimp tank. It looks exactly like mini pellia (snowflakish shape) and is smaller than my unidentified pellia.

KG

[kross]

I realized that ramshorn snails love to eat "mini pellia"!! :rolleyes:

[jojoecute]

What? eat mini pellia?
Can not be, think snail just clearing the algae on those pellia leaves..



I realized that ramshorn snails love to eat "mini pellia"!! :rolleyes:

[kimco]

Dont know about Mini Pellia yet, but my unidentified pellia was walloped by a single flying fox!!!!! :embarasse Went back to my fren's place and dig up some more!!!

[bgssamson]

I use those nettings people used as shower scrub. Those long nets that they crumble together and tied with a string.
KG


Thanks I will buy that today!

-Brian :cool:

[turbomkt]

Another possible tool for securing pellia, moss, etc...is the net that a ham comes in. There are other things that come in the same type of net. The spaces are about 1x1cm when opened into a square.

--Mike

[retardo]

In the US, bags of garlic come in plastic mesh bags. They're great for riccia or other non-attaching plants, including pellia.

[silane]

In the US, bags of garlic come in plastic mesh bags. They're great for riccia or other non-attaching plants, including pellia.


I use the mesh bag for filter medium too, free and good. :)

[imi_sky]

after seeing the picture kimco posted of what it looked like emersed...i went and looked at what was in my green house....it is exactly the same... :shocked: maybe ill try sticking in water and see what happens

[retardo]

Anyone care to share some of the real stuff with me? :D I received some not too long ago from a guy in Hawaii. Turns out he gave me the coral pellia :cry: PM me if you have some to share and asking price. Thx.