my shrimp rack

[belgiumshrimplover]

here are some pictures of my shrimp tanks. i have three tanks (size 50cm*25cm*30cm) one with cherry's one with snowball's and one still empty waiting for a specie to place in the tank. probably crystal reds or blue bees if i can find these here.
cherry tank
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/tinadavy/white%20pearl/S6300591.jpg
empty tank
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/tinadavy/white%20pearl/S6300583.jpg
white pearl tank
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/tinadavy/white%20pearl/S6300594.jpg
total of the tanks
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/tinadavy/white%20pearl/S6300596.jpg
this is one of my old tanks, first experience with crystal reds but they died one by one. i blame the shop where i got them from. i had crystal reds from another shop and everything went well, then i added a new group and they started dying.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/tinadavy/crystal%20red%20bak%2070liter/S6300342.jpg

[TitoC]

Hello there,

Sweet tanks! Lots of round shapes and moss.

I guess that you are the person Bram mentioned. I sold him some crystal reds last Saturday. He told me the story that someone lost his shrimp after buying new ones.
On a dutch forum on shrimp, there were also 2 people describing that phenomenon. It's making me think that there ís a killer infectious disease out there...
I also want to buy new shrimp, and I want to check out that shop near Brussels. I'll put them in strict quarantaine and experiment a bit with intoducing my current population...
Maybe one day I'll figure out what is causing these disasters... :undecided

See you around!

Mathias

PS. Are you sure you didn't add Jupiler instead of pH-minus that time? :joking:

[belgiumshrimplover]

haha no jupiler in the tanks only in my tummy.
could i get your e-mail adress so we can conversate in dutch it's more easy!
what kind of shrimps you have mattias? only crystal reds or also other shrimps.
I am now in contact with a dutch person, who's gonna import shrimps from asia. he wants to sell them to breeders (holland and belgium) so we can sell them to reasonable prices here in belgium! i'm waiting for more info on this.
what grades of crystal reds you have? and do you have more of them for sale?

[TitoC]

I would 'private message' you my email, but i get 'username has chosen not to receive private messages'. It could be because you are new. Otherwise you have to change the settings. Maybe you can send me yours in a private message?

I have crs and home-grown c.multidentata. Used to keep also M.roosenbergii and some ghost shrimp + atyposis.
The picture is of the crystals I kept to continue breeding. They are offspring from pretty bad Cgrades. As you can see, the white is not everything (as we say), but they are working on it..
I'll have a handful to spare. Perhaps we can do a trade?

Mat

[milt]

Hello there,

Sweet tanks! Lots of round shapes and moss.

I guess that you are the person Bram mentioned. I sold him some crystal reds last Saturday. He told me the story that someone lost his shrimp after buying new ones.
On a dutch forum on shrimp, there were also 2 people describing that phenomenon. It's making me think that there ís a killer infectious disease out there...
I also want to buy new shrimp, and I want to check out that shop near Brussels. I'll put them in strict quarantaine and experiment a bit with intoducing my current population...
Maybe one day I'll figure out what is causing these disasters... :undecided

See you around!

Mathias

PS. Are you sure you didn't add Jupiler instead of pH-minus that time? :joking:

Hmm.... This sounds interesting, could it be that shrimps are just like fishes where they is some dormant disease in them that flare up in times of stress or new environments. I used to have to quarantine newly bought fishes or even add prophylactic antibiotics into my tank when I add new fishes to prevent disease outbreaks. A few times when I try to cheat and just sneak my new fishes into a established tank, I get disastrous outbreaks of whitespot or finrot...... Could it be that shrimps also have their perculiar diseases that we have not identified yet and they surface when new shrimps are not quarantined and added into the established tank?

In the case of belgiumshrimplover, it would be interesting to know whether the newly bought shrimps died first or the original inhabitants of the tank died first?
If the original shrimps died first, then it is more likely that the new shrimps introduced a new infection be it virus, bacteria, parasite etc into the tank.
If the new shrimps died, it could be a whole multitude of factors like new water parameters, sudden shock from change of water parameters, dormant infectious agents that the new shrimps are not immune to etc......
Just my thoughts......:thinking:

[belgiumshrimplover]

@ milt: it's difficult to tell witch shrimps died first. what i've noticed in the shop where i got my second group of crystal reds from was that there were many death shrimps in the tank next to the crystal red tank. also i 've been there again and bought a group of bee shrimps (normal bee's) to test if it was the shop or my water. i tested my water first and everything was ok. i added the shrimps and in 4 days they were all death (20 shrimps) it's a new shop and i think that they have not enough experience!

actually had added four groups of shrimps (crystal red)
1st group (20 crystal reds from my normal aquariumshop)
2nd group (20 crystal reds also from the same shop)
in the time between nothing happend!
3th group was shipped to me from germany.
also after adding this group there were no cassualties.
4th group i got from the shop we're i talked about above.
and that's when the trouble started!
after a month i lost about 100 crystal reds (a lot of money)

but now i got my shrimps from a hobby breeder (40 snowball shrimps)
and i have them now for a month and i have lost two shrimps, but that's because they had troubles with peeling there skin.
now we have 4 pregnant ones. so we wait patiently.
i also believe it's better to buy a group in one time (enough shrimps) then buying little groups and adding them each time.

@ titoc: yeah i've sent a mail to the administrator to solve the problem, caus i can't send or recieve any private messages. otherwise you have to ask my e-mail at bram he will give it to you caus i've givin him mine.
and what species would you like to trade? but you're gonna have to be patience caus i wanna build a good group of white pearls before i trade or sell any.
i also have cherry's that i wanna get rid of, it's a group of 14 or 15 shrimps. but i know that the value of my cherry's is noting compared to the value of the crystal reds!

[TitoC]

hmmm
something is bothering me with these stories. The other person from Holland said that her shrimp also died after introducing a new group and that the original ones were doing well before. She had a 300 liter tank, only the CRS and all the rest sounded perfect.
Except for 1 thing, and it seems you have the same situation, but i correct me if i wrong: the original group which was supposed to be A-OK, was not breeding at all
In the case of that person, it is really abnormal. According to what I have experienced, she should have expanded her original 20 shrimp to more than 200 within the time of 4-6 months she was talking about before the mortality started just after the new shrimp arrived.

So unless you were breeding ok with your first shrimp?, this is a very big light that starts flashing for me that something is, ... well, fishy.:undecided

how much time is that you are describing over the course of the 4 batches?

[belgiumshrimplover]

it was spread over a month. the first two groups i had for a long er time. the other two groups were added in a month time.
in the first two groups i had pregnant cr's but never seen any shrimplets.
it stills stays a mistery why and how my complete population died.
it's why i'm a bit afraid for buying a new group, caus it aren't the cheapest once. i've spilled a lot of money on that tank and it's good that i like this hobby a lot. if it was someone else he would have given up the hobby and it would be a shame that you quit caus you have one negative experience.
if you sell your shrimps what is your price?

[TitoC]

yeah well, my hunch is that there is connection between the mystery of their sudden death and the fact that you had NO breeding at all over all that time.
They should have been breeding if all circumstances were ok, so I'm sorry to say that I think something was wrong all along...

[belgiumshrimplover]

That's possible, but the fact is that we will never know.
Is it possible that stress can be the cause of this or at least one of the factors?

[TitoC]

Well stress is just an overall label to say that the shrimp are having to adapt too much to grow and breed comfortably. It seems that they didnt live long either he? Normally they can become at least 1,5 years.
The main factors are according to me:

- filtration (no ammonia, nitrite)
- stable water parameters (within the range for the species)
- enough plants to buffer the system and enough natural production in the tank for the young
- additional food (not too much either)
- no predators
- quarantaine measures
and keeping a close eye to their behaviour/breeding performance

of course you have to lucky to get it right from the beginning

it all sounds obvious, but small things can go wrong like filters that fail due to stupid blocks or clogging in the sponges, or overcrowding and lack of food, or some predator that is hiding in your tank and only coming out at night etc...


btw, here are some more pictures of the shrimp in my tank. They were sitting so beautifully in the evening sun... Better enjoy them as long as everything goes well :)

[TitoC]

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[TitoC]

finally it worked...

[belgiumshrimplover]

Nice shrimps TitoC :D

maybe the change of tank with the old aquariumwater i used from my previous tank that has caused the main factor. i tought that if i used my old water and filter material that everything would be okay.

i don't know.

now i use cornerfilters that are driven on an airpump. caus with the filters that i used before mechanical filters that there is a bigger chance that the shrimplets are sucked in to it. i hope that the filters are strong enough for crystal reds. my white pearls and cherry's are doin' fine with these filters and with the white pearls there are shrimplets in the tank and i have 8 pregnant ladies so that proofs that the water is fine.

but i miss the white and red stripes in the tank, these shrimps are just the most beautifull ones in my eyes!

[belgiumshrimplover]

a few pictures of my old group crs. soon there will be a new group of crs. and i hope that it will go beter this time.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/tinadavy/crystal%20red%20bak%2070liter/S6300338.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/tinadavy/crystal%20red%20bak%2070liter/S6300337.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/tinadavy/crystal%20red%20bak%2070liter/S6300336.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/tinadavy/crystal%20red%20bak%2070liter/S6300335.jpg

[tancho_kuhaku]

did you use moss ang you BG? hw did you do it?

[belgiumshrimplover]

some pictures. i've bought some red tigers today and i've put them in the tank with my cherry's, next week or the week after my crystal reds gonna arrive. the tank is also ready for those shrimps. i hope to get a group of 20.
cherry and red tiger tank:
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/tinadavy/S6300742.jpg

and the tank that is waiting on my crystal reds to arrive.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/tinadavy/S6300743.jpg

here a few pictures of the cherry's and red tigers

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/tinadavy/S6300748.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/tinadavy/S6300755-1.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/tinadavy/S6300756.jpg

[belgiumshrimplover]

a picture of my white pearl tank. feeding time. a lot of shrimplets in the tank as you can see.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/tinadavy/S6300855.jpg

[belgiumshrimplover]

Finally we got our high grade crs :D:D

here are some total pictures...


http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/tinadavy/S6300886.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/tinadavy/S6300887.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/tinadavy/S6300888.jpg

[belgiumshrimplover]

i've got me some new shrimps and new wood. here are some pics of my tanks and shrimps
tank 1 white pearl
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/tinadavy/S6301057.jpg
tank 2 yellow shrimp
the shrimps
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/tinadavy/S6301052.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/tinadavy/S6301053.jpg
the tank
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/tinadavy/S6301047.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/tinadavy/S6301056.jpg
tank 3 crystal reds and crystal blacks
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/tinadavy/S6301026.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/tinadavy/S6301025.jpg
the tank
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/tinadavy/S6301060.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/tinadavy/S6301058.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/tinadavy/S6301055.jpg
tank 4 crystal red grade C
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/tinadavy/S6301045.jpg

[belgiumshrimplover]

a total of the three tanks
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/tinadavy/S6301387.jpg

the white pearls
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/tinadavy/S6301383.jpg
the yellows
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/tinadavy/S6301385.jpg
the tigers
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii301/tinadavy/S6301386.jpg

the first two tanks have plenty ofspring in there. the tigers i have three pregnant females so it's waiting now.

[TitoC]

Hey Davy, how is it going? Any news?
greets
Mathias