Is it possible CRS breeding without leaves?

[CrackedBrain]

Hello everybody.
I found this forum after long search after people that breed CRS and tell how they do that.
I just want to say that up until now I've learned so much and I hope to sucess breed my CRS with your help.

Anyway, my tank is 12L with Java Moss on a root, Hemianthus callitrichoides and another plante that I didn't identife.
The gravel is quartz and Elos on it.
The tempareture is 22C, the water are filter with hang-on filter, I'm using RO system.

In the tank live 5 CRS (Today I moved out the RCS that lived with them).

And now the big question:
Is it possible to breed the CRS without feeding them in Indian Almond leaves or any other leaves, but just with "Crab Cuisine" of Hikari and "Sinking Wafers" from the same compeny?
I'll be thankfull for any advise you guys would give me.

Thanks.

[Maolo]

well ketapang leaves are not necessary to breed them if you feed them right, although they always like the leaves

[weesy74]

In my opinion, you will first need to invest in a good filter as water condition is very important. I used to have A and S grade CRS in a 1 ft tank and was using a hang-on filter. I experence color fading on the white part and did not get any shrimplets. Since then, I have setup another tank, 2 ft with canister and everything is cool. Have 2 which gave birth and 4 pregnant. PH is also an import factor.

Food wise should not matter. You would need more of a stress-free enviroment to bred them.

[Shrimper06]

Answer: Yes, as long as the water quality is very good (Clean and Temp is right).

[CrackedBrain]

Thanks you everybody for your answers.

weesy74, I don't think it's metter what filter the tank have, but what kind of media you have in the filter (correct me if i'm wrong).

The water conditions are:
NH3/4: 0mg
NO2: 0mg
NO3: 5mg
GH: 5
KH: 5
MS: 271
pH:7.2
PO:0.3mg (I know it's not so much importent but I can messure it, so why not?)
Temp: 22c

Are those parameters good for CRS breeding?

About stress, the shrimps shows good colors (Bright white and drak red) so I don't think they are stressed.
Is there anything else that shows stress in CRS beside fade colors ?

Again, thank you all so much I really appreciate that.

[Maolo]

pH is slightly high, I would lower it to 7, or even 6.8 if I were you, but the parameters are fairly good (in fact almost perfect apart from the pH).

Try and breed them mate!:yes: :smile:

[yicong]

Adding almond (Ketapang) leaves will lower the PH. However it will make the water yellowish.

[Robert]

Hi,
your water parameters are quite good, don't worry. There is no need to worry about a pH 7.2. It is OK for them. The more you try to change the parameters, the worse it becomes normally. A good biological filtration is much more important than any chemical parameters of your water.

If your filter works well for you, stick to it. Als long as they can't find the way into it, everything is fine.

It is possible to breed any shrimp without leaves of any kind. I breed shrimps for years but never used leaves as food. I tried some Indian Almond leaves yes but my shrimps didn't really like them and so I took them out again. More important for me is a well cycled tank with stable conditions. There can also be some mulm, it won't hurt them. Lots of easy to keep plants help you to keep the conditions stable and provide a large surface for micro-organisms and algae, which are food for your shrimps.

If the colors are good, the shrimp feels fine. The first sign that they dislike something are fading or changing colors. So don't worry about your shrimps. Continue like this and be patient. If you have shrimps of both genders, you will get some offspring sooner or later.

best regards

Robert

[weesy74]

Thanks you everybody for your answers.

weesy74, I don't think it's metter what filter the tank have, but what kind of media you have in the filter (correct me if i'm wrong).

The water conditions are:
NH3/4: 0mg
NO2: 0mg
NO3: 5mg
GH: 5
KH: 5
MS: 271
pH:7.2
PO:0.3mg (I know it's not so much importent but I can messure it, so why not?)
Temp: 22c

Are those parameters good for CRS breeding?

About stress, the shrimps shows good colors (Bright white and drak red) so I don't think they are stressed.
Is there anything else that shows stress in CRS beside fade colors ?

Again, thank you all so much I really appreciate that.
Yes you are right but generally with canister filter the condition of water will be better. Just need to ensure good water condition.

[CrackedBrain]

Robert, I'll add new Elos to the gravel later so it'll lower the pH little bit, and will fertiliz the plantes (I don't use liquid fertilizer).
I don't use chemical filtertion, not in my shrimps tank and not on any other tank I have.

Now I have another problem I think that the tank is liking and I'll have to replace it, maybe with somthing bigger.
But this is not the problem, the problem is that the shrimps will be in alot of stress 'cause of that, I hope I won't stall there breeding.

A pic of the tank (the pic is a kinda old, with RCS):
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Again, thank you all for your help, I'll keep update this post.

[CrackedBrain]

EGGS !!!!!!!!!!!!
Yesterday I upgrade there tank to bigger tank (32L) with bigger filter.
Just a copule miniuts ago I've noticed that one of the shrimps is carring eggs.

Just want to update you all.

[Shrimper06]

Conratulations CrackedBrain! Do you think it was the better water quality with the new filter, the bigger tank, or both?

[CrackedBrain]

To tell you the truth, I don't think it's the bigger tank or the new filter because I've change them both just yesterday.
Same with the water condtions, I didn't change nothing for the last couple months (almost 100% RO water).
I think it because I've moved out the cherry shrimps.

When I saw the eggs I couldn't keep it to myself, I had to tell my girlfriend about that.
While I was sleeping, she looked at the tank carefully and writed me a note:
"Honey, I've found another shrimps holding eggs, you have two - and that's for sure!"

Do you have any idea how much I'm happy now? :joking: :D

By the way, how long the CRS holding there eggs? the same as RCS, 3 weeks or 1.5 month or longer?

And again, thank you all.

[aelysa]

I think it's three to four weeks.

[Shrimper06]

The same as RCS, also temperature dependent. The babies are read and white striped:)

[Lufox]

Depends on temp. but usually no more than 4 weeks.

[retardo]

Conratulations CrackedBrain! Do you think it was the better water quality with the new filter, the bigger tank, or both?

It had nothing to do with the filter or bigger tank. The eggs were already in production before he made the changes. It was just happenstance that the eggs descended around the same time.

Congrats on the eggs! When they hatch, you'll have fun hunting the shrimplets down.

[newb4ev3r]

........
Do you have any idea how much I'm happy now? :joking: :D
........
Oh I know how you feel. :)
Congrats bro.

[CrackedBrain]

Update:
One of the holding eggs shrimps, died without any reason that I can explain.
Day after I changed the tank she didn't look pretty good, her colors were faded and she isolated from the other shrimps.
Yestarday she died.

I'm increasing the water change to 2 times per a week instaned of one.

[retardo]

Sorry to hear about the loss. In the event that it happens again, it is possible to remove the eggs from the deceased female and still hatch the eggs, since they derive no nutrition directly from the female. You only need to aerate the eggs until they hatch (e.g., put the eggs in a jar with an air pump going). I believe one or two members have done with with success on this forum.

[CrackedBrain]

Too bad I didn't know about it earlier.
Never mind now, I hope that the holding eggs shrimp that left will breed.

Is it normal not to see the holding eggs shrimp often as the other shrimps? She's hidding most of the time (I know for sure that she's alive).

[Gaua]

it normal not to see the holding eggs shrimp often as the other shrimps? Yes, it's very usual ... egged females know they (and they eggs) are vulnerable, so they try to hide most of the time. They prefer eating algae or food they can find without getting out to open spaces ... :)


Byes!

[Xema]

Yes, it's very usual ... egged females know they (and they eggs) are vulnerable, so they try to hide most of the time. They prefer eating algae or food they can find without getting out to open spaces ... :)


That is not my experience, laying eggs females have a behavior similar to males...
when there is a problem or the are no feeling good the keep themself hiden. When all is going right you can see gazing to every where....

[Gaua]

In my experience with red cherrys, that's quite different ... I have hundreds of them in a densely planted tank, and some of the egged females hide among the plants. Of course, there are females that go out and feed normally, in open spaces, as if they had not eggs. But when you have a lot like me, you maybe think that egged females go out normally, cause you see dozens of them ... but you really can't see them all.
I've set two different tanks for RCS and I've noticed the same behaviour in both. Although they are alone in the tank and they have many places to hide, most of the egged females tend not to go out.

If there would be a problem all shrimp would behave the same way, both egged females and young ones ...


Byes!

[Xema]

Cherrys and Crystals are not comparable between.

On cherry I only can see that fact with old laying egg females...

[CrackedBrain]

OK now I'm worry about the female.
I know the behavior of RCS, I've breed alot of them until I got sick to see all the time RCS.
I've chacked the water peremeters adn they arn't that good, Amonia 0.5mg and NO3 20mg, I guess it's because the medias in the filter are new.
I'm starting to replace the water dayli until the peremeters will be best for breeding.