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Summit MicroFarm
25th Oct 2011, 11:04 AM
Hey everyone. I just set up this new 55 gal Thai bee tank. I was given this almost brand new Marineland tank. I decided to try out some Akadama and make a new Thai bee tank.
I rinsed the tank out went out to the store and picked up some crushed black lava rock and a bag of small grain Double Line Akadama and scaped the tank. I used three pieces of new wood...2 mopani and one Malay. I also used 2 pieces of Malay driftwood from already established CRS tanks. I added a new Azoo 125L air driven sponge, a cylindrical sponge over the Marineland filter intake. i grabbed one medium Amazon sword, a small piece of Java Fern and a small group of pellia. I also took the 125L Azoo sponge filter from an already established tank and rinsed it (squeezed it into a bucket of water from its tank) and then poured the mulm directly into the new tank and "bombed" it with bacteria. I have attached early pics from early yesterday and the water was still cloudy. As of the time of writing this it has cleared up and I have added 2 F1 CBS mischlings and 3 pandas/kk. They seem to be doing very well feeding aorund the new tank.
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rocky68pl
25th Oct 2011, 08:35 PM
Fact, still cloudy, but hardscape looks nice. Big tank, so you can bee sure very stabile water conditions after cycling. Really well done!
I cross my fingers for new TB family and wait for new photos.

mordalphus
26th Oct 2011, 04:35 PM
Your tank looks very nice!

BTW, I think you are meaning Taiwan Bee, difference being about 1500 miles :P

rocky68pl
26th Oct 2011, 05:17 PM
Your tank looks very nice!

BTW, I think you are meaning Taiwan Bee, difference being about 1500 miles :P

Thanks. Yes I mean Taiwan Bee couse you wrote "I have added 2 F1 CBS mischlings and 3 pandas/kk":)

Summit MicroFarm
30th Oct 2011, 02:54 PM
So I took some pics today. Just wanted to share. Things are slowly coming into place.

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rocky68pl
30th Oct 2011, 05:26 PM
Wow , I can see you have juvies! Great:cool:

Deep6
5th Nov 2011, 04:27 PM
What are Thai Bee shrimp? Is there another name they go by? I've never seen them before. I did a google for them, and it only turned up this thread. Who in the states imports them and what do they go for?

Or is it just the lighting/camera that makes it look like a CBS with blue instead of white?

dxiong5
5th Nov 2011, 09:50 PM
Nice shrimp, Sean! Those "Blue Pandas" (or whatever they're called) are catchy.


What are Thai Bee shrimp? Is there another name they go by? I've never seen them before. I did a google for them, and it only turned up this thread. Who in the states imports them and what do they go for?

Or is it just the lighting/camera that makes it look like a CBS with blue instead of white?

I think he meant "Taiwan Bee shrimp"...(Sean?). And yes, there are shrimp that are indeed blue as such.

Summit MicroFarm
6th Nov 2011, 02:44 PM
Nice shrimp, Sean! Those "Blue Pandas" (or whatever they're called) are catchy.



I think he meant "Taiwan Bee shrimp"...(Sean?). And yes, there are shrimp that are indeed blue as such.

Yep Donny, I sure did mean Taiwan Bee. Just a brain fart one evening and I didn't catch until mentioned above. By then I could no longer edit.
If you are refering to this shrimp below...it is considered a blue panda, Taiwan Bee or Shadow Shrimp.
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This is no lighting trick. These shrimp are blue much of the time . At other times the blue fades to white but then comes back for long periods of time.
Thanks Donny btw. :smile:

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rocky68pl
9th Nov 2011, 06:08 AM
Ups... now I gues mistake in answer above:p Sorry:rolleyes:
Summit MicroFarm your Panda is awesome!

dendrobate
9th Nov 2011, 07:07 AM
love your shrimp Summit MicroFarm, I wonder how long it would be before its available in Australia.

Summit MicroFarm
9th Nov 2011, 01:06 PM
Thanks rocky and dendrobate!

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Summit MicroFarm
26th Nov 2011, 05:48 AM
Hey everyone,
a few pics for an update on this tank.
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Kazuya
26th Nov 2011, 06:22 AM
Good update.
Is that string algae you have in the first pic?

Summit MicroFarm
26th Nov 2011, 08:14 AM
Kazuya,
Thanks...YES, unfortunately it is some kind of green string algae. The tank is 34 days old today and I have noticed from setting up 7 acidic-soft water tanks that I always seem to have a horrible hair/string algae outbreak for the first 6 months, and then the tanks mature and the algae completely dies off. I suspect the same will happen here.

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mordalphus
26th Nov 2011, 04:19 PM
That first pic looks almost like utricularia gibba, and I hate that plant, lol.

Shrimp looks nice and healthy in their new setup, I'm eager to set up my akadama tank, will be doing so tomorrow. Thanks for inspiring me!

Kazuya
26th Nov 2011, 09:18 PM
less light and maybe a UV filter thing (sorry I have no clue what's it called)
My friend had this in his tank. He did this and a water change and it was gone within days.

Summit MicroFarm
3rd Dec 2011, 07:48 AM
Hey everyone.
I just wanted to post a few more pics because I actually had the camera ready when I was feeding. Check 'em out! The taiwans and the mischling are growing super fast in this 55 gal.:D
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powerreef
3rd Dec 2011, 11:32 PM
Congrt Summit, look like u have few Female panda. nice flower head CBS far back there..

maxgl68
4th Dec 2011, 12:23 AM
Congratulations on the tank. Very nice shrimp!

Kazuya
4th Dec 2011, 04:07 AM
Sexy taiwans you have there.
Were they part of the really good xmas sale.

Parameters please.

BiNgO
6th Dec 2011, 02:44 AM
nice setup and shrimps sir.

nilocg
6th Dec 2011, 12:48 PM
Hey everyone.
I just wanted to post a few more pics because I actually had the camera ready when I was feeding. Check 'em out! The taiwans and the mischling are growing super fast in this 55 gal.:D
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Where in Oregon are you located?

Summit MicroFarm
6th Dec 2011, 01:20 PM
Sexy taiwans you have there.
Were they part of the really good xmas sale.

Parameters please.

Thanks everyone for the compliments. I appreciate your following the pics and updates. Sorry Kazuya, parameters are as follows:

pH 5.3
TDS 65 using RO/DI water and Sea Chem Equilibrium only
Substrate Double Line Akadama
Lots of Malay and Mopani driftwood
Indian Almond leaves
montmorillonite clay

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Summit MicroFarm
6th Dec 2011, 01:33 PM
Corvallis

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nilocg
6th Dec 2011, 01:44 PM
Corvallis

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Nice, Im in Albany, I'll have to hit you up for some shrimp sometime. If you ever need some more Akadama let me know, I can save you a few bucks.

Lux89
6th Dec 2011, 07:07 PM
Thise so called panda shrimps are damn expensive. How much did you pay per piece?

Summit MicroFarm
7th Dec 2011, 02:40 AM
Lux89,
Taiwan bees are very expensive. I remeber when they first came out and were around $800 US. I could never pay that at this point in time.
For my taiwans I paid between $75-100 per piece.

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Yiannis
7th Dec 2011, 05:24 PM
/QUOTE
parameters are as follows:

pH 5.3
TDS 65 using RO/DI water and Sea Chem Equilibrium only
Substrate Double Line Akadama
Lots of Malay and Mopani driftwood
Indian Almond leaves
montmorillonite clay

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Hi, beautiful TBees you got there! My congrats!
Are you using CO2 to make PH drop that low?
Regards

Summit MicroFarm
8th Dec 2011, 08:48 AM
Hey Yiannis,
I do not use any CO2. My pH is that low from using only RO/DI water and the Akadama substrate.

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madgame
11th Dec 2011, 11:56 AM
Awesome shrimps bro!

FishFan85
12th Dec 2011, 10:00 AM
Stunning shrimp! They make a great contrast with your tank!

take care!

Joey

Summit MicroFarm
12th Dec 2011, 12:47 PM
Thanks madgame and FishFan85... They seem to be doing well. Hopefully it all continues. :smile:


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lillith112
13th Dec 2011, 07:22 PM
Beautiful set up, I have never seen a blue stiped Panda shrimp before, awesum !
Julia.

nilocg
21st Dec 2011, 02:26 AM
Do you ever have any CRS/CBS you sell? If so let me know i would be interested in some and could come pick them up. Thanks.

I tried to PM you but it doesnt appear I can do that yet??

imke_j
21st Dec 2011, 03:12 AM
I tried to PM you but it doesnt appear I can do that yet??
Please read our rules, you need 20 posts for Pm rights.

ChiefWalksInSlips
30th Dec 2011, 11:28 PM
WOW, Summit! Downright amazing shrimp you have!

Summit MicroFarm
31st Dec 2011, 03:31 AM
Thanks Julia and Chief! :D

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Summit MicroFarm
8th Jan 2012, 11:50 AM
Hey everyone.
Just a little update from my Taiwan bee tank.
It is day 78 and things are going along relatively smoothly. I lost my smallest panada and one miscling about a 2 weeks ago. In the interest of keeping "stable water conditions" I just topped water off and didn't do a water change for ~1 month. Well as soon as I saw these two dead I began doing my regualr 20% weekly water changes and now, two weeks later I have 1 berried mischling and now my red ruby/wine red is berried! SO exciting. Below are a few pics. I apologize that my photography skill are still not up to parr. Enjoy

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ChiefWalksInSlips
9th Jan 2012, 10:36 AM
Sorry to hear about the two losses, but congrats on the berried females. Thats got to be a good feeling!

kouki
10th Jan 2012, 05:05 PM
beautiful shrimp I love pandas

Kazuya
11th Jan 2012, 02:13 AM
Nice looking shrimp.
Sorry to hear about your 2 deaths. I had 2 as well. I thought it was the new moss I got so I took it out asap and did a water change.

Love that blue panda. When do you want to swap? hahaha

Bratyboy2
27th Jan 2012, 06:06 AM
Any updates?

Summit MicroFarm
2nd Feb 2012, 02:52 AM
Here are two pics I took last night of two berried females... lemme know what you think!
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madness
2nd Feb 2012, 03:05 AM
Looking good. :)

onefang
2nd Feb 2012, 05:30 AM
Beautiful shrimp. Good to see someone else from OR representing the shrimp hobby :D

onefang
26th Feb 2012, 11:12 AM
Can I ask you how you like the Double red line akadama? I have heard a few anecdotes about how it eventually turns to mud. Have you noticed this at all?

MananaP
26th Feb 2012, 12:26 PM
Nice shrimps, Good luck. Hope you have many babies in the near future.

Summit MicroFarm
26th Feb 2012, 01:58 PM
Thanks madness and onefang.

@ onefang- It has been 4 months since I have begun using the Double Red line Akadama. It is way too short a period of time to give it a full rating, but in the time that I have experience I find it to work excellent for Taiwan bee and mischlings. I have not found it to break down any faster than other substrates I have used such as the ADA products. Although like I stated, it has only been 4 months. I did experience a period of erratic pH swings and mineral fluctuations as I have read about on other threads and forums. I foind that using this soil in conjunction with lots of other softening/acidifying objects such as leaves and wood requires the keeper to be especially dilligent with water top offs, changes, and moneral supplementation. I guess if I were to simplify, I would say that Akadama is a more hands on and advanced substrate than others I have used before but it seems to work well and more importantly my shrimp are responding very well.:D In short, no mud yet.
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Summit MicroFarm
26th Feb 2012, 02:04 PM
MananaP- Thanks. I have some pics to share...these were taken on Feb 8 and are of course, not the quality I would have liked, but check them out. They are growing fast but I have just not had the time to sit in front of the tank with the camera for an hour to try and get some good pics.:p
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MananaP
26th Feb 2012, 04:32 PM
MananaP- Thanks. I have some pics to share...these were taken on Feb 8 and are of course, not the quality I would have liked, but check them out. They are growing fast but I have just not had the time to sit in front of the tank with the camera for an hour to try and get some good pics.:p
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I love it when i see them also in my tanks, the hardest part though is keeping them alive long enough so they would grow into a healthy adult and breed successfully. Keep up posted on the progress of these Taiwan's. Thanks for sharing...

Summit MicroFarm
28th Apr 2012, 05:31 AM
Hey everyone...just wanted to add a nice pic I took this morning of one of my Blue Bolt. I will try and add some more when I get some time. Thanks for looking!
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Bratyboy2
28th Apr 2012, 05:48 AM
Very nice!

dxiong5
28th Apr 2012, 06:03 AM
Very nice, Sean! I haven't gotten into Blue Bolts yet, but if I stop keeping Tigers, more tanks will open up and Blue Bolts will definitely be an option :)

Bratyboy2
28th Apr 2012, 06:05 AM
Very nice, Sean! I haven't gotten into Blue Bolts yet, but if I stop keeping Tigers, more tanks will open up and Blue Bolts will definitely be an option :)

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Get a snow white and mix it with your bkk and you will get some in f2s maybe

Summit MicroFarm
30th Apr 2012, 04:32 AM
Thanks Brat and Donny.
Donny, I totally hear ya. I have so many projects going I need at least 3 more tanks. More like 10-15. Of course my wife is already extremely tolerant of my 14 now!:p
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Bratyboy2
30th Apr 2012, 04:39 AM
Haha im at 15!

camboy012406
13th Sep 2012, 07:15 AM
hey summit, how many bags of akadama did you use?thanks

Summit MicroFarm
13th Sep 2012, 01:46 PM
Hey camboy,
I used just a little over 1/2 a bag on top of some crushed black lava rock in my 20 gal long.
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Blue_Bolt
14th Sep 2012, 12:37 PM
I enjoyed reading the journal and look forward to updates.

binbin9
4th Jan 2013, 03:11 AM
Great stuff summit. Keep me in the know when you have some ready for sale =).

plamski
19th Feb 2013, 10:52 AM
Great shrimps.How many do you have in this tank now?
Are you still happy with AKADAMA?

KHmo4
19th Mar 2013, 09:37 PM
enjoying the post,thanks...

Brenig102
30th Mar 2013, 10:47 PM
Would love to have a setup like yours,thinking of changing my 90l over for shrimp,
Hmm need to win the lottery first to buy some shrimp!
Great tank and shrimp!:)